yEmc seems to be some sort of crypto - how do U see it?

If you are using OE, just save the message in a file. Then go online and
get the free program called NewzToolz. After you have decoded it using the
program, just change the extension to whatever it should be - jpg, pdf, chm
or whatever the file says it is. When you are ready to learn a bit more of
the advanced ways of doing it, there are other programs you can use.


"Steffensen" > wrote in message
k...
> yEmc seems to be some sort of crypto - how do U see it?
>

"Steffensen" > wrote in message
k...
> yEmc seems to be some sort of crypto - how do U see it?

Here's another one you might try - very simple to install and use.
http://www.mutexed.com/code/OeyEnc/

Joe
TGP

Thanks - I'm gonna try this one also. Been doing it the old way for a long
time - might be time for a change.


"The Good Poster" > wrote in message
...
> "Steffensen" > wrote in message
> k...
>> yEmc seems to be some sort of crypto - how do U see it?
>
> Here's another one you might try - very simple to install and use.
> http://www.mutexed.com/code/OeyEnc/
>
> Joe
> TGP
>

"Steffensen" > wrote in message
k...
> yEmc seems to be some sort of crypto - how do U see it?
>

In this newsgroup we don't decode yEnc. Too bad, the yEnc post looks
interesting, maybe someone will repost it non-yEnc.

"Steffensen" > wrote in message
k...
> yEmc seems to be some sort of crypto - how do U see it?
>


For OE, use an inlone decoder such as yProxy from Brawnylads.

...or we could just shoot the people that post in yEnc... Either one
works...


Luke

If you are using Outlook Express, download a free progremme called Fidolook,
which has an option to decode yEnc files.

Cheers,

Indrek Aavisto


--
Criticism is easy; achievement is difficult. W.S. Churchill

I use "yproxy". It will cost $17 and it is well worth it. I used to hate
it when someone posted in yenc.

"Steffensen" > wrote in message
k...
> yEmc seems to be some sort of crypto - how do U see it?
>

On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:09:44 GMT, "J.F." >
wrote:

>I use "yproxy". It will cost $17 and it is well worth it. I used to hate
>it when someone posted in yenc.
>
>"Steffensen" > wrote in message
k...
>> yEmc seems to be some sort of crypto - how do U see it?
>>
>

This is sure to be unpopular, but I've seeing "no Yenc" comments -
rules, sometimes - on newsgroups for at least 10 years or so. That was
chiefly because people didn't want to pay up for it (or even, to pay
at all).

But the Yenc compression has very real advantages in terms of enhanced
resolution but with reduced file size; for newsgroup users who
download binaries, in fact, it's a real service.

10 years on and the world has gone from Windows Diddly Squat to Vista.
I think we should embrace the future. In my case, I paid something
minimal for a proper version of Agent (www.forteinc.com) and have
never given it a second thought in all the years since.

It's even more encouraging to see that there are free Yenc decoders
available now.

Andy

There are free encoders. I bought yproxy because it had some features i
liked. You are right about the enhanced resolution. Large files opened
easily. I would like to add that I am not an advocate for yenc. Have a
great day!


"AWem" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:09:44 GMT, "J.F." >
> wrote:
>
>>I use "yproxy". It will cost $17 and it is well worth it. I used to hate
>>it when someone posted in yenc.
>>
>>"Steffensen" > wrote in message
k...
>>> yEmc seems to be some sort of crypto - how do U see it?
>>>
>>
>
> This is sure to be unpopular, but I've seeing "no Yenc" comments -
> rules, sometimes - on newsgroups for at least 10 years or so. That was
> chiefly because people didn't want to pay up for it (or even, to pay
> at all).
>
> But the Yenc compression has very real advantages in terms of enhanced
> resolution but with reduced file size; for newsgroup users who
> download binaries, in fact, it's a real service.
>
> 10 years on and the world has gone from Windows Diddly Squat to Vista.
> I think we should embrace the future. In my case, I paid something
> minimal for a proper version of Agent (www.forteinc.com) and have
> never given it a second thought in all the years since.
>
> It's even more encouraging to see that there are free Yenc decoders
> available now.
>
> Andy

AWem > wrote in
:
>
> But the Yenc compression has very real advantages in terms of enhanced
> resolution but with reduced file size; for newsgroup users who
> download binaries, in fact, it's a real service.
> Andy
>


Here's a jpg of size 263Kb - no yEnc.
--
________________________________________

..

AWem > wrote in
:

> But the Yenc compression has very real advantages in terms of enhanced
> resolution but with reduced file size; for newsgroup users who
> download binaries, in fact, it's a real service.

> Andy
>


And the same one Yenc'd to see how different it is.
--
________________________________________

..

This file was encoded with the new yEnc encoding scheme, designed to save
bandwidth by dramatically reducing the 30%+ overhead incurred by UU and Base64.
For more info, see http://www.yenc.org/

"AWem" > wrote in message
...
> But the Yenc compression has very real advantages in terms of enhanced
> resolution but with reduced file size; for newsgroup users who
> download binaries, in fact, it's a real service.
> Andy

I didn't expect that much of a saving by sending that file in Yenc. As you
probably know jpg files are already heavily compressed so that was a
surprise. The sooner Outlook Express can read these Yenc files the better.

Steffensen a exposé le 15/04/2007 :
> yEmc seems to be some sort of crypto - how do U see it?

Well, you can use a real news-reader... ;o)

The best one (and I tested a lot of softs before to chose mine), in my
mind, is "Mes News". You can find it there: http://www.mesnews.net/gb/
(free and in English)

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Real ADVANCED! going through three programs just to see a picture. Grow up.
My solution is to put all yenc posters in the kill file.


"Terry M" > wrote in message
m...
> If you are using OE, just save the message in a file. Then go online and
> get the free program called NewzToolz. After you have decoded it using
> the program, just change the extension to whatever it should be - jpg,
> pdf, chm or whatever the file says it is. When you are ready to learn a
> bit more of the advanced ways of doing it, there are other programs you
> can use.
>
>
> "Steffensen" > wrote in message
> k...
>> yEmc seems to be some sort of crypto - how do U see it?
>>
>
>

KILLFILE!!!!

"Luke" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Steffensen" > wrote in message
> k...
>> yEmc seems to be some sort of crypto - how do U see it?
>>
>
>
> For OE, use an inlone decoder such as yProxy from Brawnylads.
>
> ...or we could just shoot the people that post in yEnc... Either one
> works...
>
>
> Luke
>
>

"Flying Frog" > wrote in message
...
> Steffensen a exposé le 15/04/2007 :
>> yEmc seems to be some sort of crypto - how do U see it?
>
> Well, you can use a real news-reader... ;o)
>
> The best one (and I tested a lot of softs before to chose mine), in my
> mind, is "Mes News". You can find it there: http://www.mesnews.net/gb/
> (free and in English)
>

I agree. Don't know about Mes News but I've used Pan (on Windows) just
because it supports yEnc natively. I got tired of OE bogging down the old
tired PII box I had; it spent its 400 MHz looking for hyperlinks! Pan solved
that easily.

--
Tom

Il se trouve que octothorpe a formulé :

> I agree. Don't know about Mes News but I've used Pan (on Windows) just
> because it supports yEnc natively. I got tired of OE bogging down the old
> tired PII box I had; it spent its 400 MHz looking for hyperlinks! Pan solved
> that easily.

Feel free to try Mes News. I'm sure you will be amazed by this soft,
light but very powerful. It can even run on an USB key! I really don't
understand why some people continue ro use OE...

--
Chris
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Walkarounds & Scale modelling Portal: http://www.ffsmc.com
ATTENTION: Pour m'écrire ou me répondre en privé, inclure dans le titre
la balise [FFSMC] (avec les crochets) pour que l'anti-spam ne soit pas
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"Woody" > schreef in bericht
. net...
> Real ADVANCED! going through three programs just to see a picture. Grow
> up. My solution is to put all yenc posters in the kill file.

I do the same for years, I found out, the average yEnc poster is unable to
post a file the normal way (jpg in one file and a good compression) +/- 160
Kb for a 1200 x 1000 picture.



Many times they post a 1 Mb or more picture in 3 e-mails.



You not only have to decode but also have to combine the files.



In the bin of course.

In article >,
"RustY©" > wrote:

> This file was encoded with the new yEnc encoding scheme, designed to save
> bandwidth by dramatically reducing the 30%+ overhead incurred by UU and
> Base64.
> For more info, see http://www.yenc.org/
>
> =ybegin line=128 size=270112 name=7832-test.jpg

Rusty that was a good illustration of yEnc! (Nice photo too.)

I get so very tired of people whining about those who use yEnc.

--
One is always considered mad when one perfects something that others can
not grasp.*- Ed Wood

"RustY©" > schreef in bericht
. 163...
>
> This file was encoded with the new yEnc encoding scheme, designed to save
> bandwidth by dramatically reducing the 30%+ overhead incurred by UU and
> Base64.
> For more info, see http://www.yenc.org/

This file was NOT encoded with the new yEnc.... Result 64Kb

"AWem" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:09:44 GMT, "J.F." >
> wrote:
>
>>I use "yproxy". It will cost $17 and it is well worth it. I used to hate
>>it when someone posted in yenc.
>>
>>"Steffensen" > wrote in message
k...
>>> yEmc seems to be some sort of crypto - how do U see it?
>>>
>>
>
> This is sure to be unpopular, but I've seeing "no Yenc" comments -
> rules, sometimes - on newsgroups for at least 10 years or so. That was
> chiefly because people didn't want to pay up for it (or even, to pay
> at all).
>
> But the Yenc compression has very real advantages in terms of enhanced
> resolution but with reduced file size; for newsgroup users who
> download binaries, in fact, it's a real service.
>
> 10 years on and the world has gone from Windows Diddly Squat to Vista.
> I think we should embrace the future. In my case, I paid something
> minimal for a proper version of Agent (www.forteinc.com) and have
> never given it a second thought in all the years since.
>
> It's even more encouraging to see that there are free Yenc decoders
> available now.
>
> Andy

Ok, here's my question - and it's a real question, not a position. Is there
a non-porn photo group where yEnc is the norm?

nope
>

"The Good Poster" > wrote in message
...
>
> Ok, here's my question - and it's a real question, not a position. Is
> there a non-porn photo group where yEnc is the norm?


No, but I am starting to see complaints about it there again as well....
When it first came out it was a flame war there until the yEnc'ers seemed to
have won the fight (if not the argument), and it bacame the defacto norm
(for better or worse, like it or not). But now the debate is starting again
as yEnc's advantages are being eroded away by the growth of high speed.


Luke

"Willem Van der Voort" > wrote in
:

>
> "RustY©" > schreef in bericht
> . 163...
>>
>> This file was encoded with the new yEnc encoding scheme, designed to
>> save bandwidth by dramatically reducing the 30%+ overhead incurred by
>> UU and Base64.
>> For more info, see http://www.yenc.org/
>
> This file was NOT encoded with the new yEnc.... Result 64Kb

JPG is a 'lossy' image compression scheme. yEnc is a lossless file
transmission protocol. They are not the same. Tranmission of binary
files on Usenet requires encoding as the Usenet protocol - NNTP - does not
allow for the straight transmission of 8 bit data, instead requiring it be
recoded to a 7 bit ASCII format using a method called 'MIME'. This
expands the size of the ~transmitted~ file by a rather hefty amount. Once
it is decoded on the receiving computer it is once again the original file
as sent by the poster.

yEnc is a different, more efficient form of transmission encoding that,
like MIME, has no effect on the data in the original file. What it does
is use bandwidth more effectively by using fewer bytes. This may not be
so noticeable with small files like image JPGs, but it certainly helps
with larger files such as video and disc images, legal or otherwise.

Rusty's example showed how much transmission bandwidth can be saved for
the same ~identical~ JPG image using MIME vs yEnc.

Willem's example showed how easily you can corrupt a beautiful image with
JPG artifacts by over-compressing it.

I use the free XNews newsreader to follow this group. It handles yEnc
transparently with no problems. I have used yProxy in the past with
similar trouble free results. The main complaint I hear about yEnc is the
MS Outlook Express does not support it 'out of the box', and a lot of
folks still use OE for newsreading.

A sizeable percentage of this group have requested that others please use
MIME rather than yEnc when posting, most of the regulars have agreed to do
this out of courtesy. I find it a little annoying when a new poster gets
flamed immediately for posting in yEnc rather than being asked politely if
they will use MIME - it is just a bit rude to blow someone arse over
teacups out the door when they arrive with new images to share,
dontchathink?

My two cents, and I expect change!

Bob ^,,^

Flying Frog wrote:

> The best one (and I tested a lot of softs before to chose mine), in
> my mind, is "Mes News". You can find it there:
> http://www.mesnews.net/gb/ (free and in English)

.... or give XanaNews a try. It's free, handles these yEnc files fine,
and was written by an a.b.p.aviation fan - me!

http://www.wilsonc.demon.co.uk/xananews.htm

--
Colin

On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:28:42 +0200, "Steffensen" >
wrote:

>yEmc seems to be some sort of crypto - how do U see it?

First of all, quit using Outlook Express to read newsgroups. yEnc
isn't the only thing OE won't do. Go here and get a decent newsreader
(free or paid options). Agent decodes yEnc files just fine.

http://www.forteinc.com/agent/index.php

I've been using this program for 15 years or so. Occasionally try some
others, but have always ended up back with Agent. It's also very easy
to learn unlike some of the others I have tried.

J. W. Alger

Q. Why can't I see this message?
A. Because (insert offenders nick here) is one of those yEncer ******s who
think they will save Usenet by posting stuff most people can't decode. They
use up server space and bandwidth to post messages that have a limited
audience.

"Steffensen" > wrote in message
k...
> yEmc seems to be some sort of crypto - how do U see it?
>

"Flying Frog" > wrote in message
...
> Il se trouve que octothorpe a formulé :
>
>> I agree. Don't know about Mes News but I've used Pan (on Windows)
>> just because it supports yEnc natively. I got tired of OE bogging down
>> the old tired PII box I had; it spent its 400 MHz looking for hyperlinks!
>> Pan solved that easily.
>
> Feel free to try Mes News. I'm sure you will be amazed by this soft, light
> but very powerful. It can even run on an USB key! I really don't
> understand why some people continue ro use OE...
>

They continue because their learning curve has finally flattened out and
they are comfortable with that. Can't say as I blame them. Look at me, I'm
posting with OE right now because it is familiar and because it got me
connected. My last Pan install didn't go right after I built this box and I
didn't feel like mucking around to figure out why. So its OE for now.
Couple of things I like about Pan that OE won't do besides yEnc: 1)Pan
will sort your downloads to any folder you choose. I always grabbed j3's
images and put them in a j3 folder then used the XP slideshow to view the
whole bunch. 2)Pan will download several threads at once compared to OE's
single thread. Pick your threads and their destination folders and walk
away.

--
Tom